So, Who Did Discover America?

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby Donttread » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:21 am

Peter1469 wrote:So, Who Did Discover America?

It is well known that Columbus was not the first person from Europe to reach the Americas. This article covers Norse and Islamic sources.

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Among these adventurers Leif Ericson (970-1020), the son of Eric the Red (c.950-1003), who had discovered Greenland, entered the history books for his sighting of Vinland in about 1000. True, one saga from 1387 states that a certain Bjarni, Son of Herjulf, had beaten Leif to Vinland, having been blown off course and sighted land there as early as 985-6. But no further support for the Bjarni claim has turned up.

Just what is meant, then, by this Norse ‘discovery’ of North America? Leif Ericson was a Christian missionary who had been sent to Greenland by King Olaf I of Norway (r.995-1000) with orders to bring the faith to settlements there. On the return voyage his boat was blown so far south that he was brought within view of Nova Scotia. The authors of the Norse sagas, amazed that he survived this adventure, dubbed him ‘Leif the Lucky’.

Except for Ericson, most of the other Norsemen who made contact with North America were traders by profession. Had their commercial interests fared better, they might have given the continent a second look, but they didn’t. Their one serious venture onto North American territory resulted in a fight with native Americans, after which they quickly fled to their boats. The southernmost confirmed evidence of Vikings in the New World was discovered in 1960 at L’Anse aux Meadows, on the northern tip of Newfoundland.


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L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada...



When we ask who discovered America we automatically think of the nations who were technologically advanced at the time. But at the same time we know that hunter gatherers , despite the way some loath them and would deny them their place in history, discovered America and pretty much everywhere else. Except the poles. Some scared 100 pound kid first set foot on "the Americas" while hiding from a short faced bear . But others followed and they populated two contients with ancient' sustainable technology. The technology that made them so easy to defeat is the same technology that will eventually take us back to the stone age.

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby MisterD » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:30 am

MisterD wrote:
Peter1469 wrote:I wouldn't get hung up on the word discovery. It is more about global impact. Who opened the America's to the world? Not the Vikings. (I won't go into some of the other theories).


I find it incredible that people do in fact get hung up on the word discovery. As if the tens of millions of people who were already here were looked over so Europeans could say they discovered America. lol Seriously?


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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby UncleRansom » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:22 am

Donttread wrote:When we ask who discovered America we automatically think of the nations who were technologically advanced at the time. But at the same time we know that hunter gatherers , despite the way some loath them and would deny them their place in history, discovered America and pretty much everywhere else. Except the poles. Some scared 100 pound kid first set foot on "the Americas" while hiding from a short faced bear . But others followed and they populated two contients with ancient' sustainable technology. The technology that made them so easy to defeat is the same technology that will eventually take us back to the stone age.


The way some 'loath them?' First of all, Chief, the word 'loath' actually has an e in it, I'll leave it to you to look up. New forum, new grammar, what do you say? What did the English language ever do to you, why tear it up on a weekly basis?

But, what does that mean, despite the way some loath them? Who is denying them their place in history?

Isolation Chief...is what made them so easy to defeat.

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby UncleRansom » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:29 am

You've been sitting on gold deposits. On mineral wealth. Metallurgy beckons. Chemistry to develop powder that will ignite. Agriculture that would feed millions.

The Indians still hiding from Grizzlies when we encountered them. Their 100 pound kids still hiding, in the 19th century.

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby Donttread » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:31 am

UncleRansom wrote:
Donttread wrote:When we ask who discovered America we automatically think of the nations who were technologically advanced at the time. But at the same time we know that hunter gatherers , despite the way some loath them and would deny them their place in history, discovered America and pretty much everywhere else. Except the poles. Some scared 100 pound kid first set foot on "the Americas" while hiding from a short faced bear . But others followed and they populated two contients with ancient' sustainable technology. The technology that made them so easy to defeat is the same technology that will eventually take us back to the stone age.


The way some 'loath them?' First of all, Chief, the word 'loath' actually has an e in it, I'll leave it to you to look up. New forum, new grammar, what do you say? What did the English language ever do to you, why tear it up on a weekly basis?

But, what does that mean, despite the way some loath them? Who is denying them their place in history?

Isolation Chief...is what made them so easy to defeat.


Is this you trying to be civil? If so I will try as well, although i'ts not dufficult for me. Sorry, we couldn't get completly nice to each other all at once! LOL What I'm saying is that America wasn't discoved by Columbus or Spainards, it was discoverd before countries existed by people who , by the nature of their way of life, put back as much as they took. The only places countries have discovered are primarily unihabitable to this day without extremely expensive non cost effective technology. Essentially we , as in humans since the time of Jesus and for some time before haven't discovered , we've taken form the people who were already there and from the land. Despite these brains and all our almost magical technology we can't stop taking nor can we stop over populating. Bad combination.

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby valleyranch » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:59 am

Some where in this story was the fact that the Turk and Muslim hoard took over much of our land, the land between Europe and the spices we/they had gotten use to. Now didn't Cristobal Colombo set out to find a way to the Indies. Didn't he land on/in the Americas calling the people here Indians, believing he was in another part of the world~Hum?

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Re: So, Who Did Discover America?

Postby Peter1469 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:17 pm

valleyranch wrote:Some where in this story was the fact that the Turk and Muslim hoard took over much of our land, the land between Europe and the spices we/they had gotten use to. Now didn't Cristobal Colombo set out to find a way to the Indies. Didn't he land on/in the Americas calling the people here Indians, believing he was in another part of the world~Hum?


People who live on important trade routes share that history of war and conquest. When did your family come to America?


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