How long till O-Care is gone?

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Archer » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:52 pm

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Donttread wrote:It could be gone tomorrow if anyone had a better, workable plan. But until then it's got stay, except the stupid fine part. . It's not ideal, but it beats 50,000,000 unisured prople in the richest country on earth.

The workable plan is the free market. You do not have the right to enslave others. If you want something you pay for it.


Tell that to the other half of the nation!

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Donttread » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:55 pm

Common wrote:It has to go, first of all middle class that do not get subsidies cannot afford it. The premiums and co pays have gone through the roof. Those on subsidies that get it free cant find Drs that will accept it. A large sign in my Drs office right under neath the sign saying Now Accepting new Patients for a short time. Is a sign apologizing nor taking a large list of insurers, all obamacare.
On top of that the insurer pool has dwindled down to nothing. So whats going to happen ?

Eventually people that have to pay for it cant afford it and will be uninsured and still paying a fine. You will have those with govt paid obamacare insured with no place to go.

At the minimum it has to be drastically changed or scrapped and started over.



So what do we replace it with? Uninsured under employed and working poor and killer middle class co pays.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Archer » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:23 pm

Donttread wrote:
Common wrote:It has to go, first of all middle class that do not get subsidies cannot afford it. The premiums and co pays have gone through the roof. Those on subsidies that get it free cant find Drs that will accept it. A large sign in my Drs office right under neath the sign saying Now Accepting new Patients for a short time. Is a sign apologizing nor taking a large list of insurers, all obamacare.
On top of that the insurer pool has dwindled down to nothing. So whats going to happen ?

Eventually people that have to pay for it cant afford it and will be uninsured and still paying a fine. You will have those with govt paid obamacare insured with no place to go.

At the minimum it has to be drastically changed or scrapped and started over.



So what do we replace it with? Uninsured under employed and working poor and killer middle class co pays.


We don't! We go back to the way it was and this time we allow insurers to deny or crazy charge people who have crap lifestyles and those who choose to not take care of themselves!

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Common » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:57 am

Donttread wrote:
Common wrote:It has to go, first of all middle class that do not get subsidies cannot afford it. The premiums and co pays have gone through the roof. Those on subsidies that get it free cant find Drs that will accept it. A large sign in my Drs office right under neath the sign saying Now Accepting new Patients for a short time. Is a sign apologizing nor taking a large list of insurers, all obamacare.
On top of that the insurer pool has dwindled down to nothing. So whats going to happen ?

Eventually people that have to pay for it cant afford it and will be uninsured and still paying a fine. You will have those with govt paid obamacare insured with no place to go.

At the minimum it has to be drastically changed or scrapped and started over.



So what do we replace it with? Uninsured under employed and working poor and killer middle class co pays.


We could go back to the way it was, with reasonable premiums and copays and those with no insurance who qualify get medicaid and charity care at any hospital who by law cannot turn them alway.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Archer » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:49 am

Just remember! Our current problem is not the rise of medical costs! It is the rise of Insurance costs where you are being forced to provide insurance to others!

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Peter1469 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:33 am

Right. It is a wealth redistribution scheme. They need healthy young people to pay for too much insurance so older sicker people can get a break.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Donttread » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:41 am

Common wrote:
Donttread wrote:
Common wrote:It has to go, first of all middle class that do not get subsidies cannot afford it. The premiums and co pays have gone through the roof. Those on subsidies that get it free cant find Drs that will accept it. A large sign in my Drs office right under neath the sign saying Now Accepting new Patients for a short time. Is a sign apologizing nor taking a large list of insurers, all obamacare.
On top of that the insurer pool has dwindled down to nothing. So whats going to happen ?

Eventually people that have to pay for it cant afford it and will be uninsured and still paying a fine. You will have those with govt paid obamacare insured with no place to go.

At the minimum it has to be drastically changed or scrapped and started over.



So what do we replace it with? Uninsured under employed and working poor and killer middle class co pays.


We could go back to the way it was, with reasonable premiums and copays and those with no insurance who qualify get medicaid and charity care at any hospital who by law cannot turn them alway.



The way it was was unacceptible for a rich nation. Period. There is no valid argument justifying 40-50 million unisured Americans, many working full time and many who are kids. Just no reasonable argument can be made for that.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby MisterVeritis » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:19 am

Donttread wrote:
The way it was was unacceptible for a rich nation. Period. There is no valid argument justifying 40-50 million unisured Americans, many working full time and many who are kids. Just no reasonable argument can be made for that.

If you want something you buy it. You don't plunder your neighbors.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Archer » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:37 am

Donttread wrote:
Common wrote:
Donttread wrote:

So what do we replace it with? Uninsured under employed and working poor and killer middle class co pays.


We could go back to the way it was, with reasonable premiums and copays and those with no insurance who qualify get medicaid and charity care at any hospital who by law cannot turn them alway.



The way it was was unacceptible for a rich nation. Period. There is no valid argument justifying 40-50 million unisured Americans, many working full time and many who are kids. Just no reasonable argument can be made for that.


So what? How about those that choose to smoke and drink and party before paying for company insurance at a big discount? Personal responsibility come into play at a point.

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Re: How long till O-Care is gone?

Postby Peter1469 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:16 pm

Lasik and plastic surgery is affordable for most. The free market has a place in the health care industry.

It will be interesting to see what changes are made as Obamacare implodes.


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